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Richard Carrier & Christ-Myth Theory, Part 2 (with Chris Winchester)

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Atheist Richard Carrier claims the first Christians believed Jesus was a celestial deity who was crucified in outer space just below the moon. He also claims the gospels are historical allegories and that Jesus never existed. We discuss these claims.

Special Guest: Chris Winchester, PhD Student, University of Edinburgh

Featured Song: Yeshua Ha Mashiach – Christcentric feat. Mike Guess, Believin Stephen, B.morr & Righteouz Knight

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Richard Carrier & Christ-Myth Theory, Part 1 (with Chris Winchester)

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Atheist Richard Carrier claims the first Christians believed Jesus was a celestial deity who was crucified in outer space just below the moon. He also claims the gospels are historical allegories and that Jesus never existed. We discuss these claims.

Special Guest: Chris Winchester, PhD Candidate, University of Edinburgh 

Featured Song: Eyewitness (Eyewitness Encounter, 2013) – Evangel feat. Monielle

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Atheist David Fitzgerald Wrong About John the Baptist

Do you meet all of the following conditions?
-under 35 years old
-an atheist
-debate Christians on the Internet
-have attended a talk put on by the Secular Student Alliance

If you answered yes to all four, chances are, you know David Fitzgerald. You might also know Dave if you are a Christian apologist who is involved with campus ministry. Apparently, William Lane Craig knows. David is the author of Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All? and promotes the Christ-Myth Theory, which claims Jesus Christ never lived.

I debated (informally) David on three different occasions in 2013. In our second conversation, he made a claim that John the Baptist was a failed Messiah. This claim came in the flow of an argument he was making about  Jesus (supposedly) not having the same amount of historical corroboration as so-called “loser Messiahs”. I asked Dave for evidence or a source for his take on J to tha B. He mentioned the Clementine Recognitions, saying it backs him up. Watch the debate here and note our dialogue between 12 and 13 minutes.

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CELSUS vs. THE EARLY CHRISTIANS (177-180 AD)

WHO WAS CELSUS?

Celsus

No discussion on critics of the ancient church would be complete without the most salient of them all – the pagan intellectual Celsus.

He wrote a polemical tour de force titled True Doctrine (also translated as True Word, True Account or True Discourse), published in the late second century (ca.  170 AD). Celsus’ attack was the first all-out – and informed – salvo we have on Christianity. More than a passing comment or a veiled allusion; it was a collection of objections contra Christianity.
Initially, Celsus seems to have been overlooked by Christians but a century later Origen felt it was prudent to respond to the work in his Against Celsus (ca. 246 AD). The strange thing about Origen going toe to toe with the ghost of Celsus is both were essentially Platonists! They held in common many presuppositions, though Origen saw God as personal and Celsus did not, for Celsus believed Christianity’s “doctrine of a divine intervention in history is incompatible with Platonic axioms”.[1] Celsus, a a philosopher of the Middle Platonist school, did not reject everything in Christianity outright (e.g., the Logos doctrine, certain ethical principles, etc.).

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Did Jesus Exist? DEBATE part 2 [12/08/2013]

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An in-studio debate between Pastor Vocab and atheist David Fitzgerald.
David is the author of Nailed, a book arguing Jesus never existed. Our focus is the non-biblical evidence for Jesus, such as the Jewish historian Josephus.

Special Guest: David Fitzgerald of the Secular Student Alliance

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Watch uncut interview on video here, we even have the in between break discussion and a special extended discussion after the show… DEBATE VIDEO – UNCUT

 

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Did Jesus Exist PART2

An in-studio debate between Pastor Vocab and atheist David Fitzgerald. David is the author of Nailed, a book arguing Jesus never existed. Our focus is the non-biblical evidence for Jesus, such as the Jewish historian Josephus.

Special Guest: David Fitzgerald of the Secular Student Alliance

audio: http://www.backpackradio.com/e/did-jesus-exist-debate-part-2-12082013/

*Recorded live in the KPXQ Faith Talk Studios, Phoenix, AZ

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Did Jesus Exist? DEBATE part 1 [12/01/2013]

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Vocab debates with atheist author David Fitzgerald watch his talk @SkeptiCon. David wrote Nailed, which claims Jesus never existed at all. Our main topic is the biblical evidence for Jesus, especially the Pauline corpus.

Special Guest: David Fitzgerald of the Secular Student Alliance

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